Finding Creativity in Older Machines

Wes Hall

Well-Known Member
Like the errant cat of the village making the rounds I’ve been absent from the forum whilst life’s presented me with challenges and a summer that evaporated like the horizon in a heatwave.

I can’t quite put my finger on why, but I found myself returning to my old, battered Nikon D2H lately, however I was beginning to experience some issues beyond the normal with it. Thoughts of the desk ornament to be, I tracked down a D2Hs body- untested, but then I’ve learned these old Nikons are pretty indestructible as a rule- and was amazed I got lucky with a fully working and clean example.

Tiny files in todays world, but I remain amazed at the quality and look I can manage from it.

So a little mix of a recent day in Manchester capturing people and some macro shots from my fish tanks and plants.

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Thanks Gianluca, very much appreciated and agree- this camera really is good at getting out of your way whilst nailing a shot.

I’ve been playing with a D200 as well, and the AF is shockingly slow compared to the D2Hs, similarly the accuracy-helped capture more decisive movement shots.
 
Nice acquisition Gary
Thanks Wes. I was worried about the battery, so I went ahead and purchased two 3rd-party batteries and a charger. Good thing I did. Last night I went to get ready for a shoot today and the battery that came with it was already dead.
 
My newest digital camera is Lumix G9, and I have a pretty nice set of lenses for it. It is a great camera, and every time I use it I laugh cause it probably thinks I am a moron as I only use a fraction of it's features, and there are parts of it's menus I probably haven't ever explored. However, it mostly sits on a shelf these days. I use it predominately for telephoto use - as the PanaLeica 100-400 is a 200-800 equivalent on micro 4/3rds. It also performs some video duty as it is really good at that. But, like most "new" digital cameras I don't find the images as pleasing to the eye as my older cameras. The "modern" stuff it too good, it is too sharp, has too much microcontrast, and to my eye the images are too busy and too "crunchy." While this is great for people who spend their free time pixel peeping, I don't like the look visually for most subjects.

The color reproduction of my Minolta 7D digital (6mp) is very appealing, and my Nikon D800 produces nice, "smooth" images that I find very nice to look at. The Nikon I usually have to tweak the colors a little, but I like the images and I like the full frame dof.

The other thing where the "old" cameras win out - lens sharing. I really like that my Minolta 7D and Minolta a7 35mm share the same lenses. The cameras even mimic the same control layout and look nearly identical. I usually shoot my D800 along side my F4S 35mm - as they also share the same lenses, and everything works the same (minus VR on the F4s.) This saves a ton of space in the camera bag as I can use two different mediums (digital, film) but not have to have two sets of lenses.

I recently switched my negative scanning from the G9 w/Oly 30mm Macro to the Nikon D800 w/ Nikon 105mm macro. The D800's lesser sharpness over the G9 does a better job of capturing the look I want from my film shots. The G9 went too "hard" on the grain and the pictures look oversharp and fake. The D800's sharpness (or slightly lack of) makes the pictures look way more natural.

I also miss less shots with the Minolta 7D/a7 Nikon D800/F4S combos. The more simplistic autofocus is more intuitive and easier to use. The G9 and it's myriad of options and modes leads to user error. I shoot fast moving aircraft fairly often (F-35s and F16s) and I rarely ever miss a shot with the old stuff. The recent pics I posted of a P-51 that buzzed me when I was out on Wednesday - I got a few pics of it with the G9 but I know I probably would have gotten better shots with the D800 and my Nikon 80-400mm.

For most photographers I think autofocus speed isn't the concern people think it is, and having 14264 autofocus points, 14 different modes, and laser/lidar/microwave/nuclear-telepath sensors isn't necessary unless you make your money shooting fast moving subjects. However, I do like features like face / animal / etc recognition. Like most modern technology there is a ton of useless, confusing feature creep and complexity that leads to poorer end results, but looks great in an advertisement.

I guess it is like the automobile. Our household has 4 cars, I will use the newest and the oldest as an example. The newest is a 2020 Lexus NX300 "special edition." It has a 500 page manual of features, and probably has about as many buttons and controls as an airliner - and more computing power than modern day Russia. The oldest car is a '97 Camry with ~200k miles on it. The Camry is better in nearly every measurable aspect, it rides better, the aircon is better, it is way less distracting and easier to drive, the powertrain is smoother, and it is more efficient. Long after the stupid Lexus is being crushed at the junkyard - the Camry will still be roaming the earth.
 
Thanks Wes. I was worried about the battery, so I went ahead and purchased two 3rd-party batteries and a charger. Good thing I did. Last night I went to get ready for a shoot today and the battery that came with it was already dead.
I know that feeling with most of the old dslrs I’ve got 😅. So does this foretell some images to be shared😎
 
My newest digital camera is Lumix G9, and I have a pretty nice set of lenses for it. It is a great camera, and every time I use it I laugh cause it probably thinks I am a moron as I only use a fraction of it's features, and there are parts of it's menus I probably haven't ever explored. However, it mostly sits on a shelf these days. I use it predominately for telephoto use - as the PanaLeica 100-400 is a 200-800 equivalent on micro 4/3rds. It also performs some video duty as it is really good at that. But, like most "new" digital cameras I don't find the images as pleasing to the eye as my older cameras. The "modern" stuff it too good, it is too sharp, has too much microcontrast, and to my eye the images are too busy and too "crunchy." While this is great for people who spend their free time pixel peeping, I don't like the look visually for most subjects.

The color reproduction of my Minolta 7D digital (6mp) is very appealing, and my Nikon D800 produces nice, "smooth" images that I find very nice to look at. The Nikon I usually have to tweak the colors a little, but I like the images and I like the full frame dof.

The other thing where the "old" cameras win out - lens sharing. I really like that my Minolta 7D and Minolta a7 35mm share the same lenses. The cameras even mimic the same control layout and look nearly identical. I usually shoot my D800 along side my F4S 35mm - as they also share the same lenses, and everything works the same (minus VR on the F4s.) This saves a ton of space in the camera bag as I can use two different mediums (digital, film) but not have to have two sets of lenses.

I recently switched my negative scanning from the G9 w/Oly 30mm Macro to the Nikon D800 w/ Nikon 105mm macro. The D800's lesser sharpness over the G9 does a better job of capturing the look I want from my film shots. The G9 went too "hard" on the grain and the pictures look oversharp and fake. The D800's sharpness (or slightly lack of) makes the pictures look way more natural.

I also miss less shots with the Minolta 7D/a7 Nikon D800/F4S combos. The more simplistic autofocus is more intuitive and easier to use. The G9 and it's myriad of options and modes leads to user error. I shoot fast moving aircraft fairly often (F-35s and F16s) and I rarely ever miss a shot with the old stuff. The recent pics I posted of a P-51 that buzzed me when I was out on Wednesday - I got a few pics of it with the G9 but I know I probably would have gotten better shots with the D800 and my Nikon 80-400mm.

For most photographers I think autofocus speed isn't the concern people think it is, and having 14264 autofocus points, 14 different modes, and laser/lidar/microwave/nuclear-telepath sensors isn't necessary unless you make your money shooting fast moving subjects. However, I do like features like face / animal / etc recognition. Like most modern technology there is a ton of useless, confusing feature creep and complexity that leads to poorer end results, but looks great in an advertisement.

I guess it is like the automobile. Our household has 4 cars, I will use the newest and the oldest as an example. The newest is a 2020 Lexus NX300 "special edition." It has a 500 page manual of features, and probably has about as many buttons and controls as an airliner - and more computing power than modern day Russia. The oldest car is a '97 Camry with ~200k miles on it. The Camry is better in nearly every measurable aspect, it rides better, the aircon is better, it is way less distracting and easier to drive, the powertrain is smoother, and it is more efficient. Long after the stupid Lexus is being crushed at the junkyard - the Camry will still be roaming the earth.
Echos of my own thoughts and views Paul- the Camry is a fine car (some of my earliest memories are of a 1980’s silver Camry my folks had- plush!) and similarly the old Minolta and Nikons.

Your points about af success runs the thread I feel with a lot of modern tech- too many features for the sake of it- looking for problems few had. I don’t doubt that G9 would have superb burst af hit rates, but only if I care to set and forget- the old stuff, particularly when running manual, is slow, sure, but damn if I can’t follow my vision and artistic intent to change what and why I’m shooting.

Similarly, lens compatibility- was what sold me with a Pentax firstly, and I appreciate Nikon now- great to switch across film and digital era lenses with less fuss and clutter.

I’m gonna have some fun catching up on everyone’s posts as been a good number of months since I’ve really been on here- good to see thoughtfulness is still on the agenda here and I appreciate the comments from both you and Gary.
 
Correct me if I say something wrong @Wes Hall, but it seems to me that these photos of you taken with a digital camera from 20 years ago have a very analog look, in a good way. And it's strange because at the time digital appeared even more digital than it appears in the latest generation cameras. Assuming that what I'm saying is true, what makes these photos of you so natural, is it thanks to the instrumentation or editing that didn't push saturation and detail to excess?
Not sure my question makes any sense...
 
I know that feeling with most of the old dslrs I’ve got 😅. So does this foretell some images to be shared😎
Yes, just got back. The posted images are reduced in size but were all the Nikon's jpgs. Look for a thread titled 1937 Log Church.
 
Correct me if I say something wrong @Wes Hall, but it seems to me that these photos of you taken with a digital camera from 20 years ago have a very analog look, in a good way. And it's strange because at the time digital appeared even more digital than it appears in the latest generation cameras. Assuming that what I'm saying is true, what makes these photos of you so natural, is it thanks to the instrumentation or editing that didn't push saturation and detail to excess?
Not sure my question makes any sense...
I think I understand you Gianluca. It may be my edits, but I believe much of the look comes from the lens (a Sigma 105 macro DG EX) and the ambient lighting.

I saw a video from a YouTube channel called Bad Flashes- American who happened to go to Manchester for one of his videos- and was shocked to see his images had similar tonality to how mine render. Much of the YouTubers work is shot in California and North America.

It made me think about the impact of where we’re located on the planet and how the atmosphere really impacts our photography, particularly digital. It made me realise I will never capture a scene in the UK that has the same ‘look’ as one taken in America, or say Japan, or Spain.

For what it’s worth, I tend to edit a similar way with all my images- push the mid tones and balance out shadows and highlights as needed, contrast increase and increase black value modestly using Rawtherapee.

Except my Foveon pictures, that’s a whole different topic.
 
I saw a video from a YouTube channel called Bad Flashes-

Except my Foveon pictures, that’s a whole different topic.

I do like the Bad Flashes Youtube channel - he can be a bit much sometimes, but I enjoy the content. He often takes road trips with another YouTube content creator / Photographer called GrainyDays - who is a more sedate/dead-pan humor type. They both seem to be on a mission to photograph every dilapidated building in the US lol.

I have been actively resisting adding a Foveon sensored camera to my collection for years....lol
 
I do like the Bad Flashes Youtube channel - he can be a bit much sometimes, but I enjoy the content. He often takes road trips with another YouTube content creator / Photographer called GrainyDays - who is a more sedate/dead-pan humor type. They both seem to be on a mission to photograph every dilapidated building in the US lol.

I have been actively resisting adding a Foveon sensored camera to my collection for years....lol
Whilst you can get one for a somewhat reasonable price I’d recommend it- they’re all pretty unique, both the SD series and the DP series- I’ve owned the DP1 and the S version, and currently the SD15.
The images are really special from the DP1- the lens paired to it is amazing- sadly they all end up with ribbon cable failure and a jammed lens- I’ve stripped one, but the repair was definitely beyond me as I’m not good at soldering.

The SD15 is a fantastic DSLR, yes the battery life is poor, and the SA mount limits you to native and M42 lenses, but it’s enough. Still my favourite camera make and my favourite sensors.
 
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