Help me choose - workhorse 35mm SLR

David Mitchell

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Hi all,

Im still really enjoying shooting 35mm at the moment, I have enjoyed shooting the Fujica ST605n due to its user friendly controls, solid construction, easy to use metering and a good number of shutter speeds. If any newbie out there is reading this you can get a good example with a 55mm lens for £35 - well worth a go!

Anyway, I am looking to upgrade to more of a 'workhorse' camera, what I mean by that is a camera that I can just go - im taking a film camera and want to shoot photos *picks up camera and goes* I have decided to basically have a good 35mm SLR that I can use to take/enjoy shooting out and about, and then some more unusual cameras (like my stereographic or the photosniper) every now and then. Theres nothing wrong with the ST605N but I just felt that as im going to start collecting some decent vintage lenses to use. I currently have a Nikon 50mm E series F1.8 lens (currently on the EM) and a pre AI 35mm F2.8 lens which I have to use on my D3100 due to the indexing not working correctly on the EM.

I have got a few ideas of what I want to get, it firstly must be 100% manual ie I set the shutter speed and the aperture on the lens. It must have a light meter inbuilt for easy of use - I will have a vintage light meter anyway when shooting my more unusual cameras but don't want to have to take it around. I also want to make sure I can get a good set of lenses, I enjoy landscape and still life photography rather than street photography so im going for the 28mm-70mm sort of range of lenses.

My ideas for cameras are currently:

Nikon F3 - its Nikon and its awesome
Olympus OM-1 (may also look at the OM-3) - apparently a very good camera
Pentax K1000 - LOTS of lenses out there with the PK mount and very affordable
Canon A-1 - pretty good camera but I don't really have lenses for it (although could adapt)

Are there any other cameras that I should look at? Ideally my budget is at around the £1-200 mark, I know that I can easily get a K1000 with lens or indeed 2 lenses as a kit for £150 or less.

I am veering towards the K1000 due to the large number of lenses - I saw a decent semi fast 28mm lens for about £30 earlier and I know that you can get some quite cheap fast 50mms.

Any other options are certainly welcome but I think ive got the main ones I can think of that don't cost £500 body only or have a limited lens selection. You can also see the sort of style camera I am going for, ie classic 1970-80s SLR with pyramid in the middle lol im not really after something thats got a million grips or thousands of buttons. I am just looking for a camera that I can just change the shutter speed on and has an inbuilt light meter for ease of use - ie I take the photo, not the camera.
 
Wow.....1/4000s shutter speed lol it can probably stop a speeding bullet at that speed lol need to be careful if I have it in the car to not set off speed cameras :D

Looks like the FM2 is for me then lol as you have one next to a line up including a 500c/m thats credit enough to get one :) they seem pretty good value for money, I will probably just buy a body only as it seems it can take the pre-AI lenses so I can run the 35mm lens and perhaps look at getting a decent, non 'Economy-series' 50mm lens as well. I wasn't going to get a low F lens as I don't usually shoot wide open but as I have the shutter speeds high enough to shoot wide open...AWESOME :D lol

Im going to try and aim for the silver/chrome one, unless I can find a titanium one :D
 
Is the Canon A1 regarded as a good camera? We bought one for £30 for our daughter, but she has never used it.

I also have an Asahi K1000 which I might sell.
 
The A1 is a fine camera Rob as is the K1000. As for a recommendation David, I would second Hamish's suggestion.

Yeah, it seems that the K1000 is a pretty good starter SLR with lots of cheap lenses the FM2n seems amazing value as I guess its kind of the D3x equivilent of Nikon film cameras (and its full frame :P). Its really odd how ive gone from when looking at cameras wondering what lens they come with to the point where im at now where im choosing what body I should go with.

Although looking at a lens compatability chart a pre-AI lens won't mount to the FM2 meaning that it looks like my 35mm lens is only good for my D3100 (which will work out as a 50mm prime lens - one of the reasons I looked for a 35mm). It just means I need to aim to get some better AI or AIS lenses for it - not really an issue as I don't plan on selling them - I could always convert my pre AI lens to AI.

I agree with the optics on the E lens, I was amazed at the very shallow DoF at F1.8 with it on my D3100, although as its an early E series lens its quite plasticy which I guess its why its a 'E' lens. My pre AI 35mm lens however is fully metal and so smoooooooth lol really solid construction :)

Also when you see something like this 50mm F1.4 AiS lens when fully open, you know thats some goooood glass lol

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As a working photographer, when I bought my Nikon F3, it was the most economical Nikon to buy. Certainly there were cheaper models, but the F3 is built like a battle-tank. With a trip to the shop for cleaning and calibration every couple hundred-thousand shots, it is practically impossible to wear out.

When I was just starting out, I wore out two Pentaxes in a distressingly short time—and one failed on a shoot, and lost me a good client. I bought the F3 shortly after it was introduced and it was my workhorse! No idea how many miles of film have gone through it, and it was still fully reliable last time I shot it. Compared to the number of Pentaxes I would have gone through with all those exposures, the F3 was dirt cheap—and with its reliability, there was no worry about losing a client.
 
Yep - Nikon FM2n - as soon as I saw the word workhorse - FM2n - it'll outlive you :)
 
Yeah, it looks like I am also going to have a look at an F3 as well at some point, will get the FM2 first and see what its like with the 50mm lens I currently have. I was looking at getting another adapter (I have an M42 to Nikon adapter already) both corrected and non corrected, issue being is that my Helios 44mm lens stick into the camera body too much meaning that it isn't compatable with the corrective adapter lol I was looking at getting a Pentax K mount to Nikon mount so I can easily get some nice cheap 28mm lenses, but im going to see if I need something that wide first.
 
Pentax k has a shorter FBD too, so you will need a correcting adapter if such a thing exists ...

Why not get a Nikon for Nikon lenses and make that your main system (as you have a digital one)
then if you fancy using pk lenses buy a pentax...

Make the Nikon "best" then other stuff for playing ...

If your nuts for adapting lenses you should do what I've done and buy a nex ... You can adapt anything to it and its easy as pie to focus with the focus peaking ...
 
Looks like im going to get a FM2n and then get my hands on a Pre AI Nikon F then, im looking forward to getting my ST605n back so I can go out and shoot some colour 35mm and get that developed into prints so its easier to scan in - im still saving for the Epson V500 at the moment :(

It sounds like my E series 50mm F1.8 will be ok for a bit though, I don't really want to shoot wide open all the time as I like landscapes and don't really shoot in low light meaning a fast lens isn't really needed so I could get away with a slightly slower and cheaper AI lens.
 
Again, you asked me the other day the kit I used as it was the look you wanted to achive ...
they were shot wide open in day light ...
Just saying ... It's not the kit, it's what you do with it ...
sorry, I probably sound like I'm picking on you today!? I just want you to forget all this kit and start trying to achive some photos you are happy with!
 
Again, you asked me the other day the kit I used as it was the look you wanted to achive ...
they were shot wide open in day light ...
Just saying ... It's not the kit, it's what you do with it ...
sorry, I probably sound like I'm picking on you today!? I just want you to forget all this kit and start trying to achive some photos you are happy with!

Countless times during my working life, strangers would stop me on the street and say, "I love your photographs, tell me what camera you use, so that mine will look the same." I would walk away—depressed for the rest of the day.
 
It's enough to drive one to madness isn't it Larry ...
The thing is, gear is a factor ... But really only to those who know what to do with it...

There is a thread running on RFF at the mo on the subject ... One comment that seems to have gone unnoticed but sums it up completely

Of course gear matters. Off course it doesn't.

I don't think it can be better summed up in less words than that really ...
 
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