Have You Ever Wondered "how In The World?"

Aaron Quinn

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Have you ever wondered "how in the world" this person has a decent photography business going after you check out their website / facebook page and see the photos they have for sale?

I like to look at the sites of "professional" photographers to get a feel of what one would be up against out there. Most all of them are very nicely done, both the site and the photos the person has created. But every once in a while, like this evening, I run across a self proclaimed professional photographer and his/her site where I am taken aback by what they are selling.

Anyone else?

P.S. it is not anyone from this site!
 
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Aaron,
I totally get where you're coming from. I find this sometimes looking around at other competitors work. It doesn't come daily, but when it does it certainly is breathtaking. We obviously cannot target and humiliate these people on this site as that is something we as a community would not condone, so you have done a clever thing there not to label them... ;)
However, you have got to ask yourself 'how?' At the end of the day, we are human beings with mixed opinions in which we entitle ourselves to. I've seen some shocking stuff that You, me, and others could criticise all days long, but that's not to say the client who received the work wasn't happy about it.....
But yes, I grit my teeth with the stuff I see, being totally honest.
 
Yes, well put Dan. Maybe thinking on it, it's not the best thread to start. I am in no way wanting to bash anyone in particular and will not post their name nor site.

I feel I have a good ability to appreciate something someone has created for what it is and what it took to create it, even if it is not of my taste.

Maybe I should explain a little better of what I saw. The subject matter was something I really enjoy but the photos for sale all looked like they where taken with an inexpensive point and shoot by someone who doesn't have too much photography knowledge. Some of the photos looked like they could actually have been something nice if a little more attention was paid to composition and taken with a little better setup (I know setup isn't everything).

With that said, this can be done. locked or deleted if wanted.
 
It's certainly an interesting thread to start. Nothing is deleted here. Shouldn't feel any regret what has been posted, this place is about honesty.

I think you're speaking for the minds of what others think from time to time. Everybody has stumbled across something which is unexpected and difficult to appreciate success on their behalf, guaranteed. And not just in photography..... Music, art, novels etc. we are all have an opinion. I'd eat my mask if nobody has.

Be interested to see what other people think.
 
We have to remember that like all art forms photography is subjective and being so one mans art is another mans trash (man used in the non gender form) and as such if a prospective client contacts a photog based on what they have seen either on the web or gallery or where ever and commission work which is done to that same standard then they will be happy with it.
I have been critisised by other photographers for some things I have done in the past but the people I did the work for have been happy. I always tell people if they are asking if I can do x y or z that if they've seen the type of stuff they are looking for on my pages or portfolio I can do it.
I was recently asked if I would do a wedding for a couple from france, I told them that I have done friends etc and showed them stuff I had done they were happy, engaged me and were happy wih what I produced yhough I know deep down other photographers would easily critisise my work.
Guess what I'm saying is that its really down to the customer/client at the end of the day and as long as the photog doesnt pretend to be something they are not then alls ok.
But yes I've seen some that I have thought wtf.
Great thread Aaron
 
I think it is interesting ... I quite regularly have this conversation with people!

The reality is with photography, that almost anyone could go to a shop, buy a camera with no previous experience or knowledge, take a few snaps, print them up in boots, frame them and put them up for sale.

Of course the same could be done with a paint brush and canvas. But the difference is, an undiscerning eye would probably at best deem the slapdash brush strokes as "modern art" and at worst think it was just crap.

With photography, the story is different ...
If this hypothetical person were to take a photo of a church for eg. The sky might be lost to highlight and there maybe wonky and converging verticals, but provided it was sharply in focus, the undiscerning eye might well deem it a good photo! And at that point, of course it is a good photo... After all someone has decided it so!
Now add in the fact that said undiscerning eye was married in said church or used to visit it with their parents as a child ... the image holds emotional attachment...
The print is also framed and for sale which adds to its value and you have a potential sale!

Now round this all off with the "photographer" having a background in sales and you have even more chance that Steve Smith of 'Carphone warehouse', West Bromwich has just become a "pro" photographer and all in under a week!

Take Steve's positive experience/beginners luck ... Add it to the fact that he has yet to hone his eye, the fact that he is a mobile phone sales man (usually confident people) and all of a sudden you have someone who believes they have natural talent! Maybe he is tech savvy too, after all, he works in technology! Few hours of an evening with a Wordpress installation and posh looking theme and his beginners photos are set in the context of a quality photographers website! A prices page and contact page later and you have what you are describing!

It doesn't necessarily mean he gets any work ... But he might do ... And what he does get will be off the back of what is on his website/portfolio/word of mouth! He's a nice guy this Steve ... And can sell ice cubes to Eskimos! Within his market place he makes some success! He can't quit mobile phone sales full time, but it's a bit of extra cash in his sky rocket so he is happy!
It also affords him the odd L-series lens (of course he has to dip into his bonus from mobile phone sales to top up the cash) and since he now spends hours arguing with people about mtf charts on dpreveiw he now knows a fair bit about cameras and lenses (much misguided of course)

Then we come along and judge him ... ... Us arty farty blurry photos of fair grounds, heavily processed motion blurred flowers, snap shots, and photos of people in gas masks people ... ...

Now I'm not saying we are wrong, or that he is a good photographer or a bad one ... But he might judge us too ... And he has as much right too!

Of course we are right though... Steve is a pretty shoddy photographer, especially for one who makes money ... Fingers crossed, he will learn one day though! And thankfully, the sort of clients he gets, I don't want anyway! ;)
 
I think it is interesting ... I quite regularly have this conversation with people!

The reality is with photography, that almost anyone could go to a shop, buy a camera with no previous experience or knowledge, take a few snaps, print them up in boots, frame them and put them up for sale.

Of course the same could be done with a paint brush and canvas. But the difference is, an undiscerning eye would probably at best deem the slapdash brush strokes as "modern art" and at worst think it was just crap.

With photography, the story is different ...
If this hypothetical person were to take a photo of a church for eg. The sky might be lost to highlight and there maybe wonky and converging verticals, but provided it was sharply in focus, the undiscerning eye might well deem it a good photo! And at that point, of course it is a good photo... After all someone has decided it so!
Now add in the fact that said undiscerning eye was married in said church or used to visit it with their parents as a child ... the image holds emotional attachment...
The print is also framed and for sale which adds to its value and you have a potential sale!

Now round this all off with the "photographer" having a background in sales and you have even more chance that Steve Smith of 'Carphone warehouse', West Bromwich has just become a "pro" photographer and all in under a week!

Take Steve's positive experience/beginners luck ... Add it to the fact that he has yet to hone his eye, the fact that he is a mobile phone sales man (usually confident people) and all of a sudden you have someone who believes they have natural talent! Maybe he is tech savvy too, after all, he works in technology! Few hours of an evening with a Wordpress installation and posh looking theme and his beginners photos are set in the context of a quality photographers website! A prices page and contact page later and you have what you are describing!

It doesn't necessarily mean he gets any work ... But he might do ... And what he does get will be off the back of what is on his website/portfolio/word of mouth! He's a nice guy this Steve ... And can sell ice cubes to Eskimos! Within his market place he makes some success! He can't quit mobile phone sales full time, but it's a bit of extra cash in his sky rocket so he is happy!
It also affords him the odd L-series lens (of course he has to dip into his bonus from mobile phone sales to top up the cash) and since he now spends hours arguing with people about mtf charts on dpreveiw he now knows a fair bit about cameras and lenses (much misguided of course)

Then we come along and judge him ... ... Us arty farty blurry photos of fair grounds, heavily processed motion blurred flowers, snap shots, and photos of people in gas masks people ... ...

Now I'm not saying we are wrong, or that he is a good photographer or a bad one ... But he might judge us too ... And he has as much right too!

Of course we are right though... Steve is a pretty shoddy photographer, especially for one who makes money ... Fingers crossed, he will learn one day though! And thankfully, the sort of clients he gets, I don't want anyway! ;)



you are totally right Hamish in that essentially what you're saying marketing is HUGE in the selling of photography.... look at Peter Lik's profile for example, though of course Mr Lik has moments of GENIUS but still his marketed profile is MASSIVE
 
you are totally right Hamish in that essentially what you're saying marketing is HUGE in the selling of photography.... look at Peter Lik's profile for example, though of course Mr Lik has moments of GENIUS but still his marketed profile is MASSIVE

Well exactly ...

(I quite like some of lik's work, but I have found that wearing sunglasses when viewing it as an advantage)
 
I think sometimes we also have to add in the factor of locations, it is relatively easy to make a stunning photo out of a stunning location if you have a volcano on your doorstep chances are you will get something many of us cant get and something that will result in probable sales, you dont need a 18mm 1.2 piece of glass to get it, on the other hand put that person on the spot to shoot something in a studio and hey might well be lost.
I think last nights 2013 moments in time highlighted some of these points in the if you are in the right place, bingo.
if I had exotic locations on my pages I might get more interest I don't, maybe because I'm now no longer bothered that much and just enjoy doing what I do
 
I observe that there are many very talented photographers that make no money through sales, and lots of lesser talented photographers, who make money via sales - so I conclude that talent isn't the deciding factor for commercial success! :D
 
hmmm i'd possibly argue with that lol
Davie I did say sometimes and quoting the volcano as an example, there is some pretty landscapes to be had down here but it would take more than just a snap shot to do it justice, that is what I was trying to say, you would probably get a great shot no matter what of the volcano whereas less dramtic scenes need working at, and you see that on here, here are some stunning scapes but hey have all taken effort, knowledge, and determination to get.
 
Davie I did say sometimes and quoting the volcano as an example, there is some pretty landscapes to be had down here but it would take more than just a snap shot to do it justice, that is what I was trying to say, you would probably get a great shot no matter what of the volcano whereas less dramtic scenes need working at, and you see that on here, here are some stunning scapes but hey have all taken effort, knowledge, and determination to get.


i actually agree with you to a point in that given the right circumstances anyone can get that one shot of a lifetime ... maybe longevity is the key, i dunno
 
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