I made them smile or.....
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Rob MacKillop
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It must have been your horns...
Gianluca Drago
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This photo is strange! But in my opinion it is one of your most beautiful photos, Ivar. The colours are unnatural, the scene is unnatural, everything (including the posture and smile of the one man in the frame) is unnatural. And the blacks are blue. I really like this photo. I don't know what art is, but for me this is definitely it.
I have seen many outstanding photos in this forum and this one deserves one of the top spots in the ‘art photo’ category.
If you want, you can tell us the story behind this image, but in any case, I must compliment you.
I have seen many outstanding photos in this forum and this one deserves one of the top spots in the ‘art photo’ category.
If you want, you can tell us the story behind this image, but in any case, I must compliment you.
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Ivar Dahl-Larsen
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Thank you Gianluca. I'll try to explain. I was asked by the conductor who leans on this piano, to take some portraits of his female singing choir. It was a very narrow room and I had to do my best. Two soft lights to each side, in a 45 degrees angle. On my monitor black is black and their jackets are bottle green as I call it.This photo is strange! But in my opinion it is one of your most beautiful photos, Ivar. The colours are unnatural, the scene is unnatural, everything (including the posture and smile of the one man in the frame) is unnatural. And the blacks are blue. I really like this photo. I don't know what art is, but for me this is definitely it.
I have seen many outstanding photos in this forum and this one deserves one of the top spots in the ‘art photo’ category.
If you want, you can tell us the story behind this image, but in any case, I must compliment you.
But the image is done inn RGB not sRGB, and my monitor is also in RGB. Best option for printing. I also make images into pdf whereas no colours go amiss when to print.
In this case some as you, have said that colours of my images may differ on their monitors compared to my initial colours. But my colours stay true even on my phone and pads, to how I have explained. Maybe without insinuating anything, but...
Please whoever feel to comment, give me feed back on this issue. There was however a colour cast I had to deal with in that room.
The smiles and eventually laughter, were absolutely genuine. But I guess I am " funny" guy.
But art, - that is far fetched.
Gianluca Drago
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My monitor is an EIZO CS230 which is supposed to reproduce almost the entire Adobe RGB colour space (a wider space than sRGB), and with whatever application I open this picture of yours (Chrome, Firefox, GIMP, Darktable, etc.) the darker areas of the image appear bluish and lighter than black.
In the screenshot below you should see a black frame around the photo that is darker than the darkest detail in your photo (e.g. a shadow area on the piano, which I assume should be black). If in your devices the frame is as dark as the darkest shadows in this photo, you and I obviously have very different settings.
Opening the photo with GIMP I see that a Display P3 colour profile (Copyright Apple) has been applied. Now, I am not an expert on the subject, but from what I understand, some applications are not colour managed, which means they do not convert correctly from the source colour space (i.e. Display P3) to the target colour space (usually sRGB for most monitors or Adobe RGB in my case). On the web there are many discussions on the subject and also conflicting opinions: those who say to always convert to sRGB for browser display (obviously not for printing) and those who say not to.
But perhaps that is not the problem. I don't know.
In the screenshot below you should see a black frame around the photo that is darker than the darkest detail in your photo (e.g. a shadow area on the piano, which I assume should be black). If in your devices the frame is as dark as the darkest shadows in this photo, you and I obviously have very different settings.
Opening the photo with GIMP I see that a Display P3 colour profile (Copyright Apple) has been applied. Now, I am not an expert on the subject, but from what I understand, some applications are not colour managed, which means they do not convert correctly from the source colour space (i.e. Display P3) to the target colour space (usually sRGB for most monitors or Adobe RGB in my case). On the web there are many discussions on the subject and also conflicting opinions: those who say to always convert to sRGB for browser display (obviously not for printing) and those who say not to.
But perhaps that is not the problem. I don't know.
Rob MacKillop
Edinburgh Correspondent
On my iMac screen, I definitely see a clear difference between the piano black and the very black frame.
Ivar Dahl-Larsen
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Well, I have no explanation to what you see and what I see on my monitor. But the important issue after all, "apart from being art," is the smiling faces of joy, as well as their faces shine in colours which are natural to their complexion and last but not least, the mirrored faces on the piano. Had it been more black, I guess it would not have been seen. And finally, everyone was happy whether bluish or not. I blame the circumstances and maybe the piano had a bluish cast 
Gianluca Drago
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Seriously, I was happy BECAUSE the piano was blue. Now that you say it was black I'm not sure it was art
Ivar Dahl-Larsen
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Gianluca. I am truly sorry that I have led you astray. The piano was blueblack.
