Older EOS "stop down mode"?

Hamish Gill

Tech Support (and Marketing)
These places online that sell m42/eos adapters all talk about using the camera in "stop down mode"
I have had a fiddle with the eos 1000 and it seems that if I set the camera to aperture priority it allows my to set the aperture on the camera...
Now I am aware that this obviously means it won't set the lens when I fire the shutter ... but is the idea that I set the lens to the aperture I want, then set the camera to the same aperture it will meter correctly?
 
Great stuff on the DIY you have been posting Hamish. You have gone from a self confessed DIY hopeless to a storming changing rooms (and cameras) wizard!

I suspect the metering is totally independent. If it is you just do whatever you need to do with the lens and the camera should adjust shutter speed to the light coming regardless of lens and fstop chosen on the camera.

I'm not sure I got what you said but I thinks this is what you are asking.
 
Great stuff on the DIY you have been posting Hamish. You have gone from a self confessed DIY hopeless to a storming changing rooms (and cameras) wizard!

Its fun int it :)

I suspect the metering is totally independent. If it is you just do whatever you need to do with the lens and the camera should adjust shutter speed to the light coming regardless of lens and fstop chosen on the camera.

thats what i thought ... but the control wheel lets me adjust what aperture the camera is set to ...
I cant believe i have just typed that really, i know how stupid it sounds
Im just trying to work out if there is something that i am missing ... I know zero about canon cameras, for all i know they might need to know the aperture the lens is set to to expose correctly?? Although, as you say, i cant see why ... ???
 
That's a good question Hamish - never thought if they were fully linked, or if the camera assumes the aperture is set and hence meters what it sees and adjusts shutter speed based on that.

Now - When I think about it - on my current Canons - metering is set before the aperture ever stops down. You're looking through the viewfinder with a nice bright view (i.e. the lens aperture is wide open) And you can meter and set the exposure at that point.

So that tells me that the camera assumes the aperture will be correct - i.e it tells the lens, and the lens will do the rest.

It has already set the shutter speed - and that wouldn't change if the aperture jammed, or in your case, wasn't manually set correctly.

Make sense?
 
Thats a good point Chris, The camera meters wide open so I guess it will then adjust the shutter speed based on what it knows the aperture will be when the shot is taken. It seems you have to set the aperture on both lens and camera.
 
Generally, when you meter a scene, you do so with the aperture wide open, and the meter figures out wehther the combination of shutter speed and aperture you have set is correct. When you take the picture the aperture automatically closes down to the selected value, before the shutter fires.

Usually when thy talk about 'stop down mode' it refers to the fact that for some adapters the automatic closing of the aperture won't work, and the moment you attach the lens/adapter the aperture is stopped down to the selected setting.

This in turn means that you can't meter as normal through a wide open aperture and the in-camera meter will be wrong.

Unfortunately, I can't remember exactly how to compensate, other than to use a hand-held light meter!
 
Ill just have to work it out when i get the lens ...
For some reason my brain just wont work out how this works

In Av without a lens the camera gives a reading and as such a shutter speed based on the aperture you set it to
but if you put a lens on, even wide open that amount of light will be less than without the lens on
how does it know the starting point??? you cant set the aperture on the camera because the camera doesnt know what the wide open aperture of the lens is.... it has no point of reference to start metering from ... .... ............


I got typing that and blew my own mind ...
i looked it up and found this info

How to use the really old-style stop-down metering style (display shows something other than “00”).
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]If you attach a non-EF lens to your older Canon EOS film camera, the camera notices that the lens doesn’t have a working computer and goes into stop-down metering mode. It nonetheless displays a full range of apertures, which you can set from 1.0 to 32.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Set the camera’s aperture setting to 1.0 and leave it there.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Do not set the camera’s aperture value to match that of the lens. In fact, I don’t know why the camera lets you change the aperture setting at all, since it only screws things up by overexposing the image.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]If your lens has an adjustable aperture (usually an aperture ring on the barrel) you must do the adjustment on the lens itself, not the camera. This will obviously vary the amount of light entering the camera. The camera reads it and meters from that accordingly.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Now, since the camera isn’t capable of adjusting the aperture setting on the lens it can’t work in P (program), Tv (shutter speed priority) or PIC (icon) modes with such a lens, but it’ll work just fine in Av (aperture priority) and M (manual) modes.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]In Av mode you set the lens aperture using the lens aperture ring and the camera’s aperture setting to 1.0 and then camera will set a shutter speed automatically. In M mode you set the aperture using the lens aperture ring and then set the shutter speed on the camera yourself.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]One other note - some older EOS cameras have the annoying inability to remember aperture settings when you switch from one mode to another. Some models, such as the EOS 620/650 or 10/10s, automatically switch the aperture value to 5.6 whenever you go into Av and M modes. Since the aperture value must be set to 1.0 when using stop-down metering and a manual lens you have to dial the aperture back every single time you enter either mode. This is particularly annoying in M mode, because since these cameras lack a rear command dial you have to hold the partial metering button whilst rotating the main dial. Oh, well.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]How to use the new-style stop-down metering style (display shows “00”).[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]If you attach a non-EF lens to your newer Canon EOS camera, the camera notices that the lens doesn’t have a working computer and goes into stop-down metering mode, displaying the aperture value 00. This means that the camera knows that the aperture setting is not under its control and will not let you set the aperture electronically. This metering style makes a lot more sense than the old method.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]If your lens has an adjustable aperture (usually an aperture ring on the lens barrel) adjust it now. This will obviously vary the amount of light entering the camera. The camera reads it and meters from that accordingly.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Now, since the camera isn’t capable of adjusting the aperture setting on the lens it can’t work in the Tv mode with such a lens, but it’ll work just fine in the other “creative” modes - P (program), Av (aperture priority) and M (manual). It doesn’t really make sense to use the lens in any of the PIC (icon) modes.[/SIZE][/FONT]
Set the aperture using the lens aperture ring and the camera will set the correct shutter speed in all other modes except M, where you’ll have to set the shutter speed yourself. Generally, Av mode is probably the most convenient.
ref.Manual lenses with EOS cameras
The bit in red is that bit i needed to know, but the rest i thought might be useful!
 
I can see that this makes sense Hamish
 
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