On the other hand .....

Tom Dinning

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Style.
Now there's a topic.
I don't have any, according to Christine.
Do any of you consider you have a 'style' that is demonstrated in you photographs?
I'm not talking about what you shoot so much as what you pictures look like. My one and only photography friend says she could pick one of my shots from a crowd regardless of what it was of. ( can I end with a preposition?).
When I listen to someone play music I can tell between say, Jack Lee and Pat Methany. Or I'd know Brad Meldau playing the piano will little effort. Rembrandt I know as with Monet or Pro Hart.
Do we call that difference and uniqueness 'style'.
What's your style. If you think you have one?
 
Some claim they can as they do with yours Tom, but I feel it's all up to others to decide. When they claim so I do appreciate it.
 
Interesting point Tom. And I can certainly spot the work of certain photographers in the same way I can certain musicians and painters etc. As for my images, there are certain elements that might be regarded as style I suppose (who am I to say though). Someone here did note that I present, process ,whatever you wish to call it, in a way that is far more distinctive than for example the look imposed by the camera, software etc. I have certain preferences for both B&W (whether prepared using wet chemistry or in software) and colour which does lend a similarity and I am conscious of that. Now whether that could be interpreted as a 'style' I am not certain. Personally, I see more commonality in content or at least intent but that is usually less evident to the viewer I suspect.

There are some here that I always think have a certain style to their work though and I will single out Julian and Vic as examples.
 
I think style is something that you have to let develop over time for it not to look contrived. I hope that I am one my way and I guess you could have a look at my website and see what you think. www.paullange.co.uk. Some of the photos might display in incorrect positions BTW. On the iMac they look OK but on my PC they are out of place.
 
Landscape wise i'm sure i have a definite style ... it has been mentioned on here (by Pete) as 'painterly' in that composition and feel it's like i'm channeling an old master lol
 
I hadn't seen the new site @Paul Lange. Looks good and there are several images I'd not see either. The sets look good together. A new bottle of chloroform?! ;)

Cheers Pete. I haven't really told anyone about it yet as I am still working on it. Seems to display differently on different browsers, should have that sorted soon. And yes, motivational tools always come in handy.
 
I think I only see my own style when I see it in other people's photos. I know it when I see it, as I see it when I see photos that I really like...
Does that make sense? Probably sounds conceted? It's not supposed to... I don't really like that many of my own photos ... ...
 
I use photography to discover and remember to look at what I find interesting at the moment. But then...I don't like most of my photos because I struggle to produce what I see. So...I guess I don't have style or ability.
 
An interesting comment from both @Hamish Gill and @Glenn Clabo; not liking their own photographs.
Liking something is a very personal thing but is often guided by expectations and comparisons, so I wonder what Hamish and Glenn expect to see when they view their own photographs or compare them to.
Liking something as concrete as beer or chocolate or big tits or the color blue is easier to understand. Sometimes it's even linked to genetics, but more often it's an accumulated feeling associated with experiences as well as some instinctive reactions that might well be associated with keeping us alive.
On the other hand, conceptual stuff like a photograph are 'liked' for some peculiar reasons. Some of it has to do with our own experiences but more often it is related to trends, comparisons, expectations, ethics, associations and understanding. Peculiarly enough, we often mistake the photograph for the real thing and like or dislike it for that reason.
But, as we know, a photograph is an entity unto itself. It stands alone but is interpreted by many. If someone dislikes their own photographs it may not be the photograph that is at fault. It may well be that the dissatisfaction comes from the over stretched and unrealistic capacity of the photographer to 'make the grade' as it were; ie, to match up to current external expectations.
Why this is so is a difficult thing to grasp. If photography was a competition or was meant to please others we would be well justified in determining our standards based on the approval of others. But as some of you have already stated, most of your photographs are for pleasure; your own pleasure. If we continue to take photographs we don't like surely the end point is to stop taking photograph, unless we all have a masochistic streak. This is also counter-intuitive since most of us agree that negative feedback is in poor taste but we are willing to give it to ourselves. How does that work for us? Surely we would believe ourself in preference to others.
So, how do we overcome this negativity in our own abilities?
Firstly, know the value of what you do. Talbot had no idea what the outcome would be for his process when he wrote The Pencil of Nature but he did know that each photograph would be or value to those who took it and those who would view it in the future. He saw it as a personal value more than a commercial one. The family, a building, a distant destination, some farmers in a field, a piece of lace and a shadow in a doorway; each being recorded because they held some special interest and special meaning to the photographer. He also knew that the viewer might see something different. The piece of lace reminds someone of their home, a building takes the interest of an historian, a distant mountain stimulates a young man to travel, a torso encourages another to paint.
There were no 'rules' for composition or content or how the image must look. Clarity was the keystone. Not just clarity of content but clarity of thought. When the idea is clear the photograph is as well. In almost 200 years we have endeavor red to clarify our ideas and transpose the onto a flat surface, then preserve it for future generations. It doesn't need to be beautiful. Nor does it need to be 'liked'. It just needs to be understood.
We are not talking works of art here, or commercial photography. We are talking about the 30 billion photos posed on Flickr alone last year Nd the rest we hide on our hard drives. Each and every one of them is there to be enjoyed because they are the view of another persons world, a place you have never been, someone you have never met, something you can ponder for a moment and perhaps dream.
This is why you should enjoy all your photos. This is why there is no comparison. This is why there are no 'rules'. This is why we do this thing. It's shit easy. Just pick up a camera, point and press. Do you know why Talbot developed his process of fixing the image? He states quite clearly it was because he couldn't draw. I'm so glad he could draw.
Cheers
Tom
 
I don't "like" mine through false modesty. I actually shoot film because it means I get about a 75%+ hit rate...
But there is a difference between photos that I like and photos that I know are "good" ... "I like" being photos that I appreciate for my own reasons, and "good" being photos that I think are of some merit by other people's standards

I should have gone into more depth really. This is a particularly interesting subject I think. And I actually don't think I could agree with your sentiment much more!
 
Here is an example ...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/hamishgill/sets/72157647181850842

19 photos from the same roll, all shot of the same subject. I like them all. I think there were 23/4/5 ish in total. Couple missed focus, one the exposure was off on a couple.

I like the rest as I really enjoyed the experience... They were in a friends shop on the upped unused floors, I had free rein as one of my colleagues got set up for the video job we were doing downstairs. They were also shot on a new camera, which I was enjoying very much using, and also all shot with guessed exposure - 60th f2 & xp2.

Despite liking them all, I don't think they are all "good" ... I wonder if you can guess which I think are good?

And why I have this dubious skill of being able to identify the "good" within my own work? :)
 
Good or bad doesn't come often into my vocabulary, Hamish, when it comes to photographs. The terms are too subjective. So I'm not about to try and read your mind.
Let me tell you what I 'see'
The sequence of photos appears to be of an interior of an old building, possibly a dwelling of some sort, abandoned, but evident of some rejuvenation judging from the state of the floor and walls. Your approach is a considered one, much as a child might when warily investigating a place they should not be. Each shot, showing detail, in preference to a broader view, is foveal and somewhat haunting. The tonal range allows for clarity of detail but provides an air of mystery with the muted light from windows and doors gently lighting the way.
This is the viewers view. You have chosen a perspective that places us there. One can feel the stairs beneath ones feet, smell the dust and touch the peeling wall paper. We might ponder on the fate of the past occupants. Who stood by the window and watched the street life below, what child sat on the window box and listened to stories, who climbed the stairs at the the end of a long day and sat by the fire surrounded by loved ones. From the windows and sky lights we can gain glimpses of the outside, sufficient only to know we are possibly hemmed in by a similar atmosphere of soft tones and muted detail, as though the perpetrator knows that this place was abandoned in the hope for a better life in a better place.

The place is full of fantasy and is gently reflected in each photograph. As a series, one can surround themselves in the atmosphere, and, just for a moment, be in another time. The viewer is encouraged to hesitate and dream for a moment, to find a connection with the past, an admirable purpose for any photograph.

Cheers, Hamish.
 
Yeah, well, popular is just as cloudy. I'm still waiting for flaired trousers to become popular once again.
The essence of a 'good' photograph might just be the opposite of what you're thinking. Those images that stand the test of time are often thought of as 'good'. I'm still admiring Brassai and Weegee. My grand daughter who is in the thick of modernity at the age of 20 would prefer flair in her photos than on my trousers. She wouldn't look twice at anything from Bown or even Leibovitz. So much for popularity.
Robert Adams tells the story of he and a group of friends having an exhibition of their photos. He was beside himself when he discovered someone had bought a print for $25. He was less excited when he discovered it was one of the other exhibitors, another Adams. He realized his popularity hadn't increased one bit during the exhibition.
 
Ok, "more widely popular", or "conventionally popular" working through more widely acknowledged rules, rather than through breaking them...
 
This reminds me of a convo me and Pete have been having on and off about lenses ...
Modern, high contrast, high resolution well corrected, etc glass being what us now rated as the "best" ... There is a little more logic behind said definition. Until you look at the idea through the eyes of a creative.

To many, an old ltm leica Summarit might be nightmare... But to a few it's a dream.

In the same way, I think there will always be photos that speak to wider audience than others ... It's that which I'm struggling semantically to define
 
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