Our Survey Says...

Gary R. Smith

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I posted a survey (out of curiosity) over on DPReview asking about everyone's level of "formal" training in photography. I was surprised to see two folks with MFA's with so few responses. I took a formal class in high school. I thought it might generate some discussion here. These were the categories I listed.


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50+ views and nobody wants to play? The DPReview survey is up to 5 MFA's but the largest majority have little to no formal training. So, f/8 and be there?
 
Sorry, Gary, I was wondering whether we should have a poll of our own, but I suspect our membership is too small to give any insights.

For me, my only formal training was when I worked for a large multi-national. There I was taught the basics of photomicrography and technical imaging and then left to my own devices more or less (I could always get help when needed). And I created many thousands of micrographs (on film) using a range of microscopes (mostly using a Reichert Biovert though) over several years and developed the films and printed them for inclusion in technical reports, etc. When I transferred to another division most of the imaging was then either true-scale images of test specimens or macro-images, plus some micrography. When I started my own company in ’96 I set up in a similar way and included a darkroom and later a more specialised imaging suite.


My personal photography really stared at about the time I learned the technical stuff. Although I took the odd picture on holidays I only got properly interested when I could print my own images and had bought a ‘proper’ camera to take on a trip to Kenya. I don’t do much imaging for work any more due to shift in what we test these days although I have trained some members of the company on basic micrography and technical recording, but using digital systems.

I’m still interested in technical imaging and still have the equipment (and more!). I have a studio and darkroom here in Potsdam and the imaging suite and darkroom is still in the labs in the UK, although the darkroom will be decommissioned soon I think and the imaging suite will be converted to dual-function. I will move some of the equipment, including my large copy stand and the Biovert and Tessovar. to my home in England. I’m not sure what I’ll do with the Sinar LF stuff yet though. Even though no-one else uses it the big stand is there and I’m reluctant to give it up yet.

So, in terms of survey responses:

For technical imaging - taught in work (and at least to the equivalent of university course).

Personal imaging - mainly self-taught, but with the help of books, etc.
 
I don't much care for DPR's forum structure - so I don't ever pay attention to it.

Photography wasn't offered during my scholastic years, as the town I grew up in was very small and "backwater." It is a unfathomable miracle that a very motivated and extraordinary technology teacher somehow resided in the area. Without him there would have been nothing other than the small town stereotypical sportsball. Without this teacher, and the technology club he sponsored my life would be completely different (and not in a good way) than it is now.

Photography wasn't something my parents cared about, nor did most of my relatives. My mother's side of the family was overpopulated and severely underfunded so it wasn't wasn't even on the radar due to expense. My father's side of the family was significantly smaller and much better off financially - but apparently wasn't particularly interested in taking pictures. There are very few instances of my childhood where I remember seeing pictures of family or events, photo albums, or a camera. Books were also rare, so there definitely wasn't any photography books laying around.

It wasn't until high school that I developed a real interest, solely to take pictures of things that I thought I would never get to see again. Since I was fortunate enough to travel (most people where I grew up never left the county) with the school club I would buy as many disposable cameras from the local drug store as I could budget. I would ask my parents to drop the cameras off to be developed - something that would never happen. I don't know what happened to those cameras, but if I had to guess it was probably the trash can.

High school life also granted me a new money making scheme, and that was making fake IDs. Since I knew a little about cameras, scanners, and photo editing I was "the guy" if you were underage and wanted to buy some alcohol. I was friends with the local lawyer's son and that granted me after hours access to the law firm which had the level of scanner and printer I needed. I "acquired" the laminating sleeves that didn't have "Under 21" emblazoned across them by simply reaching over the counter and grabbing them as the lady set up the camera to make me a new license as I "misplaced" my old one. Since the county was "dry" you had to travel into the next county to buy it and that had the added benefit of not being known and increased the success. I probably made over a hundred of these over a few year period.

Soon as I could I moved to the nearest "larger town" and that happened to be a college town. However, the financial means to attend was far, far beyond my reach and there was going to be zero assistance from the disinterested and disconnected parentals. I would assume this college offered degrees in photography and/or photography adjacent studies as it was more of a "arts" orientated college.

I bought my first "real" camera after that move and starting learning about photography through trial and error. I mostly photographed my friends and I doing stupid things involving cars. After a few years living in that town - I moved to where I have lived for more than a couple decades (Phoenix) and that is when I started taking photography more serious.

So I guess the TLDR answer to the survey would be "none." Lol.
 
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I don't much care for DPR's forum structure
It could easily be made more friendly, that's for sure.
and that was making fake IDs
Well beyond the Statute of Limitation! :eek:
However, the financial means to attend was far, far beyond my reach
Sort of my story as well. My parents had six sons (I was the first) so money was tight when the time rolled around for me to think about college. I pretty much decided that based on where my head was at the time that college would have been a waste of money. In the end I did OK. I'm now retired with no debt and a reasonable income.

Thanks for sharing Paul!
 
Ho pensato che avremmo potuto discuterne informalmente qui piuttosto che andare lì, ma ecco il link:
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/68426004

Lately, I don’t enjoy writing on the forum because it has lost some of the people I loved interacting with, those I somehow felt in tune with. I didn’t realize that you wanted feedback here because you mentioned a survey on DPReview, but you didn’t repost that survey here (I believe it’s possible to create a survey on RealPhotographerForum as well, but I’ll ask @Pete Askew to correct me if I’m wrong). If your post were a survey, my answer would be that I’ve never taken any photography courses, period. I think that’s pretty evident from my photos.
 
I think that’s pretty evident from my photos.
You take great photos, why would you say that?

Sometimes I feel like I've driven people away from this forum.

Maybe I need to take a break?

I wouldn't have made a survey here, the forum population is too small to draw any conclusions. I just thought people would discuss. No big deal.
 
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