Ansel Adams in Color.

Tony Warren

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I have just finished re-reading a book you may not have heard of called “Ansel Adams in Color” (ISBN:0-8212-1980-4) that I came across some time ago.

Adams and monochrome are inseparable but it transpires he shot around 3000 colour images and was retained by Kodak in the development and use of Kodachrome from the 1930s onward and, later, by Polaroid including work on Polacolor. His colour work was almost entirely confined to commissioned professional work and reading about it brought out the huge conflict he had with the medium. Reading his writings he found it almost impossible to come to terms with the completely different practice and aesthetic compared to mono. His musical training and his need to completely control his monochrome medium in the way necessary for a piano recital must have influenced his reactions greatly.

Most interestingly, despite his reservations, he saw colour as the future and effectively foresaw digital in his comments on electronic imaging as he called it. The book really brings out his dilemma. He only felt really satisfied working in monochrome whilst becoming involved with colour processes payed the bills. At one point some sheet film Kodachromes for Kodak helped pay for film to tackle the Guggenheim fellowship he received.

Yet, despite all that, in 1969 he said “…were I starting again, I am sure I would be deeply concerned with color. The medium will create its own esthetic, its own standards of craft and application. The artist, in the end, always controls the medium”.

The book finely describes the contrast between photgraphy as it matured in the late 20th century, strongly influenced by commercial outcomes, and the dedicated, almost obsessive approach that the photographer had had to take previously.
 
I grew up in the film only era and I grew up shooting B&W film. Not to open up a can of worms on color versus B&W ... but there are times, when I've felt like dialing in Monochrome on my digital cameras ... then permanently nail down the setting. (Gary makes a mental note on Adams and color.)
 
I recently borrowed both THE CAMERA and THE NEGATIVE (by Adams) from the library as well as a book called: Yosemite: Art of An American Icon that ran some 221 pages with photos and art relating to Yosemite. Some of the shots were by AA.

I also just placed a library hold on: Ansel Adams in Color (thanks for the tip, Tony).
 
I grew up in the film only era and I grew up shooting B&W film. Not to open up a can of worms on color versus B&W ... but there are times, when I've felt like dialing in Monochrome on my digital cameras ... then permanently nail down the setting. (Gary makes a mental note on Adams and color.)
I think you (and I) are feeling what Adams would have felt if he had been able to experience digital. I think he would eventually have enthusiastically embraced all the post processing possibilities of digital though which in a way are the equivalent of his Zone System in that they allow comprehensive control of the final image. Lack of control seems to have been his main difficulty with embracing colour at a time when there was really none at all hardly. I was working in colour in the 60s and 70s and just getting fairly accurate colour in prints was a major challenge.
 
I recently borrowed both THE CAMERA and THE NEGATIVE (by Adams) from the library as well as a book called: Yosemite: Art of An American Icon that ran some 221 pages with photos and art relating to Yosemite. Some of the shots were by AA.

I also just placed a library hold on: Ansel Adams in Color (thanks for the tip, Tony).
I'm sure you will find it interesting Gary and some of the images are really excellent.
 
I grew up in the film only era and I grew up shooting B&W film. Not to open up a can of worms on color versus B&W ... but there are times, when I've felt like dialing in Monochrome on my digital cameras ... then permanently nail down the setting. (Gary makes a mental note on Adams and color.)


I have two Lumux GF1s w/14mm lenses on them. The reason I have two? Cause one is permanently in "Dynamic B&W" profile that I tweaked a bit. Since I use the lil' guys for quick / point and shoot style photography I don't bother changing settings. Just grab the "color" one, or the "b&W" one. Lol.
 
...but there are times, when I've felt like dialing in Monochrome on my digital cameras...
I find that converting color shots to b&w benefits from the ability to tweak the individual contribution of various color ranges. I'm not sure that I could be happy with a single profile as each shot will behave differently as you fiddle with the individual colors.sliders.jpg
 
I find that converting color shots to b&w benefits from the ability to tweak the individual contribution of various color ranges. I'm not sure that I could be happy with a single profile as each shot will behave differently as you fiddle with the individual colors.View attachment 22057
Can't do that with B&W film. I am more of a documentarian ... the red on the guitar has a definite and defined density ... sure you can fiddle with it ... but then you begin to erode the reality of the image. That may or may not matter ... it all depends on the code/sensibilities/intent of the "operator". There is an ill defined, gray line between photographer and digital artist ... for me, I prefer the moniker of photographer.

While I appreciate the artistic digital abilities to manipulate each and every pixel ... to transform a photo into something completely different than what was captured by the camera ... to use an image as an 'unfinished' easel. For me, I embrace photography for its ability to freeze a fraction of a second of time ... to capture time in my little black box and accurately share that slice of time ... a day ... a month even decades later. In a century a person could stumble across an image of mine and think ... that is what the world was like a hundred years ago.
 
Can't do that with B&W film.
Sure you can. Have you ever played with the developing times or temperatures while developing film. Have you ever dodged or burned a film print while exposing it in a darkroom?
 
... but then you begin to erode the reality of the image.
I don't feel that editing a color image to black and white (while focusing the transition on specific colors) erodes the reality of the image any more than the falsity of viewing a color world in black and white erodes the reality at the most basic.

Here is a matrix of various b&w transformations showing how the various sliders affect the results. In my opinion, each is as "real" a rendition as the other.
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I don't feel that editing a color image to black and white (while focusing the transition on specific colors) erodes the reality of the image any more than the falsity of viewing a color world in black and white erodes the reality at the most basic.

Here is a matrix of various b&w transformations showing how the various sliders affect the results. In my opinion, each is as "real" a rendition as the other.
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This is interesting Gary. It is like using filters with monochrome film but with the possibility of not just "lightening like" but also "darkening like" ( e.g. the yellow and the blue examples).
 
I disagree ... (somewhat). Colors have density ... changing the color density in B&W alters the accurate representation of the B&W image.

IMO, the significance and impact of any color density changes is dependent upon what the image is, the amount of density change and the 'accuracy sensitivities' of the viewer. In terms of recreational photography ... changing color density has little significance beyond the personal like/dislike of the viewer and photographer.

But in terms of journalism, legal, scientific, et al ... changing color density can significantly change the representation/meaning/accuracy/fact(s) pertaining to the image. Consequently, in terms of documentary photography, color density may be significantly important.
 
Sure you can. Have you ever played with the developing times or temperatures while developing film. Have you ever dodged or burned a film print while exposing it in a darkroom?
Granted, I do not know every trick/application possible in a B&W darkroom ... but I have no knowledge of how to alter a particular color density without affecting the color density(s) of the entire print.

Developing temps and times will affect all color densities captured by B&W film. Dodging and burning will affect all color densities directly beneath the area where one is dodging or burning.
 
I disagree ... (somewhat). Colors have density ... changing the color density in B&W alters the accurate representation of the B&W image.

IMO, the significance and impact of any color density changes is dependent upon what the image is, the amount of density change and the 'accuracy sensitivities' of the viewer. In terms of recreational photography ... changing color density has little significance beyond the personal like/dislike of the viewer and photographer.

But in terms of journalism, legal, scientific, et al ... changing color density can significantly change the representation/meaning/accuracy/fact(s) pertaining to the image. Consequently, in terms of documentary photography, color density may be significantly important.
You are correct of course. But colour has subliminal meaning also, evoking responses beyond the rational. So if a monochrome image suggests a colour then maybe the same reactions are produced in the viewer. There is such a lot on a psychological as well as rational levels don't you think?
 
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Nice book. From my initial browse, his subjects are largely the same and despite shooting on Kodachrome, most would have been just fine as black and white. There are only a few (in my opinion) that benefit from being in color.

He states: "...I cannot adjust to the limited controls of values and colors. With black and white I feel free and confident of results."

He never processed any of his Kodachrome into prints (although Kodak did).

I suspect he would have loved the flexibility of using a modern post-processing s/w package.
 
I can understand/relate to Adams' freedom statement.

For decades, I shot, developed and printed B&W film four to five days a week. Most of us sighted peoples live in a color world. Because the world is not B&W ... yet B&W is accepted as applicable for documentation ... there is a certain amount of freedom/allowance/fudging of the medium not available in color. While individual color/densities captured by B&W film cannot be individually selected and manipulated ... the full color spectrum (all densities/Zones) can be shifted towards the white end of the spectrum (Zone 10) or the black end of the spectrum (Zone 0). The photographer can utilize this shift to enhance the impact of the final image and yet still maintain documentary integrity. (Of course the photographer can use this density shift and develop an image which exceeds the boundaries of accuracy.)

When I dabbled in color film ... I didn't feel I had the freedom of selecting/exposing/developing/printing for a particular zone.
 
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Nice book. From my initial browse, his subjects are largely the same and despite shooting on Kodachrome, most would have been just fine as black and white. There are only a few (in my opinion) that benefit from being in color.

He states: "...I cannot adjust to the limited controls of values and colors. With black and white I feel free and confident of results."

He never processed any of his Kodachrome into prints (although Kodak did).

I suspect he would have loved the flexibility of using a modern post-processing s/w package.
Pages 126 and 128 Gary. Very late in his life when he finally saw anything printed. His comments on Cibachrome are interesting too.
 
You are correct of course. But colour has subliminal meaning also, evoking responses beyond the rational. So if a monochrome image suggests a colour then maybe the same reactions are produced in the viewer. There is such a lot on a psychological as well as rational levels don't you think?
Definitely, an image of a green verdant scene ... I feel, would convey a much more relaxing sense to the viewer than the same scene in B&W. Conversely, a dramatic image in B&W may increase the focus and heighten the impact by eliminating distracting color(s).
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I think Jeffery Pine on Sentinel Dome (pg.53), Sunrise, Death Valley (pg.63), Sunset, Auke Bay (pg.67), Pool, Kaibab Plateau (pg.71), Monument Valley, Utah (pg.115) and Late Evening, Monument Valley (pg.125) all benefit from being shot in color.

I hate to think what he would think of my color adjustments.
 
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