Adobe software

The Cloud bit is about their collaboration environment and for most photographers the only real advantage would be the synchronisation of the work environment (not much really) - storing stuff away from your machine would be impractical on most broadband connections. The software is download only and is activated and managed by your subscription - ie updated etc automatically. CS6 will be the last iteration of their 'perpetual' software. The new stuff lives on your computer but will expire if you do not keep your subscription running. I will probably standardise on using LR as my primary tool (all the time it is not part of the Creative Cloud) and then edit in PS / Nik as and when (I can always render using LR if I end up with a camera not supported by Camera Raw). I might subscribe for our Master Collection only though but the other standalone PS copies I don't think I will (and I never did get an answer how to do that anyway).

Maybe I should use CaptureOne for more than PhaseOne files and then Nik via PS. Need to think about that.

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And I'll give Final Cut another go I think.
 
Someone probably said this already. The price of the most recent version of Photoshop is around $650. But with the new Photoshop CC version you can get the application for $20/month. Of course that's forever but it comes with updates. The application is subscribed to and downloaded to your computer. When the app is started it check with Adobe to make sure your subscription is current. The new Photoshop CC has the PS Extended rolled into one package and I lke the concept of just one version.

The complete Adobe CC package for all apps appears to be $50/month.

There are upgrade prices.

As I see it this will be a better way for me to justify the cost of the software. So I'll probably go for it as soon as I get my new computer, which will be after Apple makes some announce,nets later this year. In the meantime I'll continue to use the earlier versions of CS that I already have.
 
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And so Pete you're touching on the question that occurs to me. What are the alternatives to PS? I'm new to PS and prior to trying to get to know how to use it I didn't do any PP other than the once in a while crop. The Luddite in me suggests that Adobe's new strategy is just fine with him; he'll shoot film and be reasonably satisfied with scanning and posting any good uns he gets. But the other fellow in me who occasionally shoots the 7D and may someday own some other camera that captures RAW images wonders what the alternatives are.
 
Thank you for all the information you brought to RPF, Pete.
A typical giant firm looking at a magnifying mirror, screwing the artist now that they are the industry norm. The attitude I got here was quite arrogant. When I said "2 years ago I paid for the full program almost as much for the upgrade price you're asking". The answer was "well, it is now 2013".

Good question, Brian. Rob mentions a bundle of 3 programs. I wonder what's the best solution (single or combo) for a film guy like me. Healing tools is handy, and a few filters, watermark layer. That's it.
 
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Yes, thank you very much Pete for keeping us up to date. Ralph... perhaps you don't understand the prices over here are usually more than double what you pay. My CS5 cost me around £600 more than a year ago and if I had moved to CS6 it would have been at least £1,200, or that was the price when I last looked. I think I toyed with the idea of a subscription, but then I found out that too was over twice the price in this country.

I feel like you Brian. Although I've used the software for longer (with Elements before CS5), it's taken me ages to get up to speed and find a truly non-destructive workflow. As long as I can keep my version limping along I think I will stick with it, but I'm wondering about tinkering with LR as a fall back plan. What about Bridge though? I've invested a huge amount of time moving from the Elements Organiser and everything is tagged, with comments and the dates entered by hand for all my scanned film.

Can you use Nik with LR?
 
Brian Moore said:
Is it the NIK suite that Google was offering at a massive discount recently?
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I am probably the worst person to ask about software but it has Silver EFX, two sharpening programs, a noise reduction program, Color EFX, and something called Vivenzia (maybe that spelling is wrong but it starts with a "V" :) ) I can't remember what I paid for it but it was a good deal. That said, I've had it for a while so it was before they got bought by Google.
 
Nik is indeed now owned by Google but that doesn't seem to be doing it any harm. It integrates with PS, LR and Aperture. LR should pick up all the tags, ratings etc that you have used in Bridge and is a good interface for basic edits and managing a library (I think there's about 14,000 images in the master gallery in Germany). It is basically a fancy front end for Adobe Camera Raw. You can did in and out of Nik and PS (any CS version, maybe older) from it and there are other plugins / action sets for it as well (eg VSCO).

I first used Corel Photopaint (and still think it has the best cloning tool out there) before moving to PS and there was quite a steep learning curve to make that change. There is now Paint Shop Pro as well as Aftershot Pro from Corel (based on the old Bibble - which was a very good and very fast raw processor). An I guess it is the time invested in learning the software that is the big problem. I can do stuff in PS (and LR) very quickly (even in CS2 - which we have on an old Windows 2000 machine at IMSL - it runs some essential software that won't on on XP or later!).

As I said before, I will probably move the Master Collection to Creative Cloud but I am not sure about some of the stand-alone PS licenses. If it can be done on one ID then that is OK but it doesn't look like it can and that causes some logistical problems. Sadly Adobe seemed incapable of answering that question.
 
Steve Boykin said:
This sounds like along with Fuji cameras now being supported for me to reconsider using Aperture again. I don't get the benefit for someone like me.

And Pete they would never have a computer chat with you.

Pete: Alright, I'll just drive down to the Adobe office.
Adobe: Without your space helmet, Pete? You're going to find that rather difficult.
Pete: I won't argue with you anymore! Put a human on the phone!
Adobe: Pete, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye.
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I'm not certain, but I don't think this new deal applies to LR. For a lot of photographers LR is more than enough, especially with what is coming in LR5. For things beyond what LR can do there are other applications: not as full featured as PS by any means, but often adequate for most amateurs. I would urge caution about moving to Aperture from LR because of what is happening to PS. Aperture is good, but not as full featured in terms of editing as LR, or as widely supported in terms of education / problem solving.

I rarely use PS now.
 
Beth Anthony said:
thanks stephen.

the only thing useful i got out of adobe's kelby based pr was that you can buy cs6
https://www.adobe.com/products/cata...g_sl_software_sl_creativesuite6.html?start=20
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Yes, I think I might have expired if he had actually criticized Adobe.

I sense Adobe is hoping that a lot of the individual / amateurs sign up for the monthly and then forget about the 'small' amount applied to their card every month. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

I suspect it will make a lot of people look carefully at what features they really need and use, and check if there are alternatives. In some cases there are.
 
Mmmmmmm

Single App for CS3 and later
US $9.99/mo
Save up to 50% on your first year
Same features as Single App plan
Requires any CS3, CS4, CS5, CS5.5 or CS6 product
Promotional pricing for the first year - see terms


So after 1 year it's likely to double in price :(

I'm split on this one - I hate the sub model because now I have to pay forever, and what happens if I stop paying - does the software stop working?

Or do I simply stop getting updates????
 
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