Amazon have X-Pro1 available for pre-order

Chris Dodkin

West Coast Correspondent
I got an update from Amazon this morning - X-Pro 1 available for pre-order - Price: $1,699.95

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Also the lenses are up for pre-order - The 18mm f2 is Price: $599.95

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006UV6YMQ/ref=pe_11480_22614230_emwa_email_title_1

No shipping dates yet - must be close though...
 
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It's certainly more $$$ than I was hoping for :(
 
Considering the price of the X100, it's about what I expected. But look on the bright side - it's certainly cheaper than an M9... or even an M8!
 
It's also a LOT more than a Sony NEX7 which is probably the best in class at the mo!
There is a risk here that this will get lumped in with the rest of the CSC cameras ... If it does, at nearly twice the price of the nex7 it's going to need to be good IMO
The x100 worked as it offered something slightly different! This of course also offers that difference but it will need to be very good to stand up to the likes of DPR's forums!
I hope Fuji's marketing strategy holds weight and it is indeed as good as it could be!
I've decide to hold fire until somthing like this with a full frame sensor, that's not as dear as an m9 comes along ... A true contax g system replacement if you like ... :)
 
I was hoping for $1200 body - $500 lenses - which of course might happen over time once the hype factor dies away, and other manufacturers compete at this level.

I am comparing it to the new Canon G 1X price, which is $799 now, probably $699 street after the initial rush.

May not be a fare comparison at all - but these are the two compact systems that caught my attention from the recent releases.

I'll probably take a look at both - but historically the Fuji's have been difficult to find anywhere where you could get a demo - so who knows!

Should be an interesting spring/summer either way, and great to see some innovation shaking up the market.
 
I am very disappointed that the X-pro 1 won't have a full-frame sensor, too, and agree that's a missed opportunity. It's my main reason to hesitate. Agree that there's no sense buying one right out of the gate, as the prices are likely to come down. Perhaps I'll be able to pick up a discounted X100 now to tide me over.

Maybe it's just a mental thing, but I see it as being in a different category from the Sony NEX-7 and the Canon GX-1. Perhaps that just means Fuji's marketing team has successfully brainwashed me. The sensor on the new Fuji is supposed to be extraordinary in its color rendering and low noise levels, if the early tests bear out, whereas the Sony and Canon are not offering anything new or improved in that regard. The Sony's noise levels seem to be quite mediocre, in fact, and the Canon's sensor is the same as the 7D.

If you're looking to play with a Fuji, I was able to demo both the X100 and the X10 at George's in North Park and Nelson in Little Italy shortly after their release, but Calumet never seems to have them. So you may want to check them when the X-pro 1 finally comes out.
 
BJP seem quite positive about the X-Pro 1. Apparently it fills in a gap with professionals who want high quality with interchangeable lenses in a smaller package. I'm guessing that with the X-Pro 1 the key will be with the processor rather than anything else.
 
Ordered camera and lenses a couple of weeks ago. During film days, I worked and played with a variety of cameras with carefully chosen qualities. A Nikon F-series camera and Bronica ETR for main-system SLRs. For street and when assigned to photograph potentially dangerous people, Leica. After a day of lugging heavy equipment, I wanted something competent and light to carry when I had absolutely nothing in mind to shoot. A small but excellent Konica S3 was the perfect solution. I also had a couple of special purpose cameras like a WideLuxe 140 for panoramics and a Brooks Veriwide 100 with a 47mm SuperAngulon over a 6×10 cm format for architecture and environmental portraiture.

Now in the digital era with the D700, the other two cameras were missing for the past dozen years. Finally Fuji came through with the X100 which perfectly fit into the role of the Konica, while able to shoot panoramas like the WideLuxe 140. While I still have M-Mount lenses and could dig up the money for a M9, I really don't want one. It has no AF, very limited low-light capability with its quaint Kodak sensor and far too retro for the way I now work. The first camera an employer ever handed to me was a Leica, and I have shot with them all my life. They are tools with no mystique to justify the price, to me. If I were a gear-head among gear-heads, having one may overcome some sense of male inadequacies, but I am a shooter and a Leica is a tool—no more, no less. Cameras are used to create photographs, not to be objects of desire.

The X100 is an excellent preview of where rangefinder-type cameras are evolving, and it has been used far more than I had expected when I bought it—coming up on 5,000 exposures. It is not a camera for machine-gun shooting and each of the images was contemplated. The X-Pro1 is to the X100 as the M3 was to the Konica S3. The initial lens selection is the classic photojournalist's kit from half a century back. A superb mix for people/street/decisive-moment photography. Had digital not come along, the M3 and lenses were due to be traded for a Contax G2. The resemblance of the X-Pro1 to the G2 is remarkably close.

The X100 will always be in my pocket or pouch. I love its silence, invisibility, ability to sync fill-flash in sunlight and incredible image quality. When walking a city on foot, the X-Pro1 will join it as a primary walkin'-'round, shootin'-stuff camera. When the subject is action, if there is a need for a wide range of angular coverage, traveling and working from a vehicle, using the interval timer, etc., it will be the D700.

The keys to the X-Pro1 are many and it is not the processor. First entirely new sensor technology. No more Beyer mosaic, and thus no more low-pass filter to limit detail. Even without the new sensor technology, sensors have come a great distance since the D3/D700 sensor. Five years ago, it was an absolute article of faith that you could predict high-ISO performance by pixel density. DPReview had a listing for this in every camera they reviewed or previewed. A few years back, it vanished. Five years a go, the full frame sensor was the holy grail. Today it means hauling heavy lenses in order to get the same angular view. I was astounded when I did my first low-light shoot with both the D700 and X100. At ISO3200, there just is no significant difference in image quality.

Then there is the hybrid viewing system like the X100 which I greatly appreciate. Fujinon lenses, which I used a lot on large format cameras and always admired. While consumers may be unfamiliar with Fujinons, they are well known in the trade. Large-format Fujinons are in the same league as Zeiss and Schneider. They pretty much dominate high-end video and theatrical motion picture production, with lenses starting at $1,600US all the way to $160,000US. If you are unaware of Fujinons, it is because you are not in their league.

See:Pro Lenses

Like the Contax, it is both cheaper by far, and more versatile by far, than the Leica, but the shooting experience is very similar. While not exactly a small camera, it is smaller and lighter than the D700 by far. Its low key and retro styling will attract a whole lot less attention from rent-a-cop bullies. While not silent like the X100, lacking the mirror smack of the D700 will make it much more stealthy.

Compare camera dimensions side by side


The X100 is 445g ready to shoot. The X-Pro1 body is 450g, with three lenses 967g. In comparison the D700 body alone is 995g, but with my versatility kit—14-24mm and 28-300mm—it is pushing three kilograms. Together, the three cameras will cover pretty much all of my needs.

For months now Shigetaka Komori has been spouting off to any writer willing to listen, about the "high-end" camera he and Fuji were about to market. Truthfully, I was expecting a body price more like $3-4,000US and lens prices in the $1-2,000US range. Looking at the B&H site above, the most expensive still digital camera Fuji makes is $43,995US with only a normal lens. Getting the X-Pro with a normal lens for $2,300 is quite a relief. Hopefully it will be in before the end of the month.
 
Thanks, Larry. Interesting views. But I have to say I'm not really interested in Leica for the snob appeal or mystique. I'm interested because of what I see as the very unique aspects of the images the M9 and Summilux lenses render. To me, at least, Leica images generally have a unique appearance about them in the way the show contrast and bokeh. It's almost 3D in nature. And their low-light capabilities seem to be better than on my Canon... I would prefer an AF option, but like you, I also learned on - and shot exclusively on - manual focus cameras for many years so that doesn't bother me. The X-pro 1 is an intriguing proposition, but I still prefer full frame for a variety of reasons. But you're absolutely right that this camera's sensor is the real game changer. The pixel array and lack of low-pass moire filter are revolutionary and I expect this camera's low light performance and sharpness to be exceptional. There are some sample images from the camera posted on their website now. Most are at low ISO but I saw one up there at 1600... None up in the stratosphere, though, so hard to tell. The photos do look great though. FUJIFILM X-Pro1 | Sample Images | Fujifilm Global
 
To me, at least, Leica images generally have a unique appearance about them in the way the show contrast and bokeh. It's almost 3D in nature.

I would strongly suspect that this is due to the maturity and experience of those who use Leicas. They are the antithesis of an entry-level camera, no matter how much moolah you may have in the pockets of your jeans. Experienced shooters have a way of achieving the effect they want.

And their low-light capabilities seem to be better than on my Canon... I would prefer an AF option, but like you, I also learned on - and shot exclusively on - manual focus cameras for many years so that doesn't bother me.

Yup, perhaps in the hundreds of thousands of shots with fully manual equipment including large format. Not a single assignment came to me because I could manually focus a camera, load the film or transfer the reading from my Weston Master IV with its Zone System dial to the camera.

I do want the option however. I do little macro now, but at one time it nearly dominated my workload. When working just inches away from the subject, auto-focus camera and I rarely agreed on the critical point of focus. However, for most other things, I don't want to be stuck without it.

The X-pro 1 is an intriguing proposition, but I still prefer full frame for a variety of reasons.

That would be a deal-breaker for me—I do have the D700 and do not need another.
Compare camera dimensions side by side

As you can see, the XP1 is significantly larger than the X100, but not unacceptably so. Lenses are fairly compact as well. With full frame, we get into Nikon-sized lenses—bulk and weight. I already have this when needed, but want a flexible and excellent camera no larger than this. If I want to haul a body and two big zoom lenses that weigh three kilos, I can lug the D700. The XP1 and three prime lenses weigh 967g—mobility with adequate flexibility, as an urban walking around camera.

This would still be true even if sensors had not improved dramatically since the time of the D700. I fully expect the XP1 to be nearly on par with the D700 at any given ISO setting. The X100 is so close that it really does not matter practically which camera I use in low light on the basis of high-ISO quality. They are of course, entirely different cameras so I match the one I choose to the demands of the shoot. ISO is not a consideration in making the choice.

I am not one to prance about twittering "Bokeh, bokeh, bokeh", but I do control my depth of field to suit the needs of my image. I did a fun shoot at nearby Jurassic Forest, focusing upon autumn leaves in the foreground with full sized dino models in the background.
Autumn?A Somewhat Different Approach

In this case, I did use the full-frame D700 and found I did not need f/1.4 lenses. In fact most were shot f/5.6-8.0 and if anything I could have used a bit more depth of field. It was shot for the amusement of friends, as the dinos become more and more obvious from the first image to the last.

For street, I want a rich sense of place, of environment, and I do not want f/1.4 fuzzygraphs. Street photos tell a story, and the story is not sharp eyes in a haze of lost detail. In very low light, large apertures are difficult to avoid, but with the APS-C sensor, I have a little more slack. Environment is also a critical element in pretty much all my low-light stuff as well, and an eternal problem with the D700. If I want to blow out backgrounds, it is all too easy with the D700. That is not how I will shoot the XP1.

But you're absolutely right that this camera's sensor is the real game changer. The pixel array and lack of low-pass moire filter are revolutionary and I expect this camera's low light performance and sharpness to be exceptional. There are some sample images from the camera posted on their website now. Most are at low ISO but I saw one up there at 1600... None up in the stratosphere, though, so hard to tell. The photos do look great though. FUJIFILM X-Pro1 | Sample Images | Fujifilm Global

I suspect that sample images always say a lot more about the shooter than the camera. A great shooter will make any camera look good, and a mediocre shooter can equalize the best with the merely competent cameras. Looking at the hundreds of cameras tested on the DPReview site—and the many samples for each one—the thing that stands out for me is the sameness. Nothing brilliant, nothing bad, yet another display of goods in front of a store, yet another shot of the bridge, yet another Oriental face. Take a two hour walk with a random camera and cull down to the 25 best and the gallery would be indistinguishable from the rest. The $500 entry level body samples on par with the $5,000 ultimate camera, just as most of us could do when time is limited and a bunch of samples are needed for deadline.

It would be interesting to download say 10 samples from the whole spectrum of cameras and see how many viewers could actually come close to matching them to a list of the cameras that took them. My guess is none—other than by pure chance. Cameras are amazingly good, and most camera vs camera gear-head chatter is vacuous.

In 2002, I had a chance for a trip to Nevada. At that time I had recently acquired my second digital camera, the Nikon Coolpix 5000 top-of-the-line bridge-camera. A couple of months ago, I got a call from an agency of the State of Nevada wanting to buy some of what I shot there. (Like step out the door and shoot some, lady. It is your back yard!) But anyway, they came to Canada for photos. Ten year old technology—prior to RAW. 5MP and they were perfectly happy with the results which by now are 8×10 prints in an interpretive centre. Even earlier, I did a few shoots for a large-format, glossy, Brit hi-tech magazine with my first digital camera, the classic Coolpix 990. Some went full page width and looked fine. If I could score repeated magazine assignments with a 3.34MP camera then, and sell Nevada-shots to the State of Nevada with a 2002 5MP camera from Canada now, I would opine that one can not draw any significant conclusions about cameras from sample prints.
 
Good points Larry as usual, I can tell by your posts that you certainly have more than a passing interest in the development of the Fuji range. In light of what you said I should re-phrase my comment on the processor. What I meant, but didn't put all that well, was that I doubt the XP1 will get lumped in with comparison with other cheaper compacts, it was not designed to compete with them. The thing that generally sets camera like (hopefully) the XP1 apart from say, the Nikon P7100 or Canon G12 is faster processing capabilities, especially when handling RAW. This is of course discounting other developments and features. Cheaper compacts can be a bit sluggish and at the end of the day you have to pay extra for cameras with faster processors. IMHO processor speed can have the largest determining factor on how the camera "feels" during use. I agree with you too though that the new sensor could potentially be something special. However we will have to see whether the real world result is what we're hoping for. It would not be the first time that performance falls short of a manufacturers claim.
 
I was going to post this in a separate thread but it is relevant to what your last paragraph Larry. I was looking in BJP magazine just now, at the ads of the retailers who aim themselves at selling to pro photographers. I find it odd that they make a big deal about the megapixels, over anything else. I would have thought that their main clientele would have no interest in that and would be more interested in whether the camera is capable of fulfilling their requirements.

Is this just misguided marketing or do they hope to attract the people with more money than sense who like the idea of owning pro kit and equate quality to megapixels?
 
IMHO processor speed can have the largest determining factor on how the camera "feels" during use. I agree with you too though that the new sensor could potentially be something special. However we will have to see whether the real world result is what we're hoping for. It would not be the first time that performance falls short of a manufacturers claim.

At this point, sensor size is nothing more than a minor issue for anyone other than terminally-anal pixel-gazers. Of course for them, even minor disparities that are invisible to real people looking at photographs, are huge issues worthy of flame-wars on DPReview forums. If they bother you, ask to see their photographs—and watch them dive for the exits. Cameras and photography have nothing in common to them.
 
I was going to post this in a separate thread but it is relevant to what your last paragraph Larry. I was looking in BJP magazine just now, at the ads of the retailers who aim themselves at selling to pro photographers. I find it odd that they make a big deal about the megapixels, over anything else. I would have thought that their main clientele would have no interest in that and would be more interested in whether the camera is capable of fulfilling their requirements.

Is this just misguided marketing or do they hope to attract the people with more money than sense who like the idea of owning pro kit and equate quality to megapixels?

Five years ago when the full-frame D3 sensor sent shock-waves through the world of photography, the relationship of pixel density and high-ISO performance was an absolute. Every camera reviewed on DPReview had a line for megapixels per centimeter squared. This was an article of faith carved by digital deities into silicon tablets. Then a couple of years back that line disappeared from all specifications pages. It no longer applied.

The Exmore rear illuminated sensor and versions from other companies changed that. Four or five years ago you could buy the D3 for excellent low-light performance or the D3x for bright-light high-resolution performance. Either/or—almost an equation. My D700 has a full frame sensor that was head and shoulders better than the D300 it replaced. The X100, not so. It takes pixel gazing to see the difference between full frame and APS-C at any given ISO setting.

Two days from now, the D800 is expected to be announced—at 36MP! On the day the D3 was announce, a 36MP camera would have produced horrible noise at ISO800, even from a full-frame sensor. It was unthinkable. However a year and a half back the consumer-level D7000 showed decent high-ISO performance with just an APS-C sensor—with approximately the same pixel density as the rumoured D800. A lens at a given focal length projects an identical image on a sensor or piece of film, no matter the circumstances. A 36MP sensor of equal quality will always gather much more detail than a 12MP sensor. If the sensor is capable of resolving enough detail that a low pass filter is no longer needed, the level of detail is once more enhanced. People are satisfied with the small sensor P&S cameras for family use. The pixel density of their sensors are equivalent to full frame or APS-C sensors in the 100MP+ size if they existed.

Most people do not need 36MP. Most of my images are reduced to 1280 wide by 1024 high maximum for my web-galleries and Facebook albums. They look sharp and clear on tablets and monitors. None the less, if I were to go to a 36MP camera, there would be at least a perceptible increase in the amount of detail in the largest prints I could make in-house, and had I room for a very large printer, a considerable increase in detail. High megapixels were a marketing ploy only a couple of years back. Today, digital technology has moved beyond the limitations of high-ISO/pixel density restraints.

The old orthodoxy is crumbling with new technologies. As far back as 1965, Gordon Moore—co-founder of Intel and one of the industries few nice guys—postulated that the number of discrete components on a chip would double every 18-24 months at no increase in price. It was specifically about integrated circuits but over half a century, it has been very close to true for all digital electronic products. Camera designers are now talking about ISO-free cameras, where you set the ideal aperture for the lens or depth of field you need, shutter speed for the focal length you are using and the subject you are photographing, and the camera will automatically supply the sensitivity you need. Not now, but probably a whole lot sooner than we expect.

Nothing in the digital electronics realm is static. The difficult is being accomplished every day and the impossible just takes a bit longer. Absolute truths of 2007 are not the absolute truths of 2012. Only a handful of engineers on the planet could predict the truths of 2017, and they are all under NDAs.
 
Good points Larry, I see what you are saying but I must admit I still question megapixel count really being the main thing that is a really important factor once you get to a certain level. For sure it will continue to increase as time goes by but in the here and now would you really choose an 14MP camera over a 10MP one if the former couldn't do what you wanted it to do even if the noise figures were equal. More and more recently I find that the subtleties and sad truths can mean a lot more the seemingly obvious things.
 
I certainly understand that pixels and sensor size are not the only criteria - or even the most important ones - in choosing a camera. But in architectural and landscape photography, where you live or die by the ability to render detail and do a lot of cropping, they are very important. I loved my Nikon D90, but those 12mpix were often a limitation when cropping down and images quickly became unusable. I don't have that issue with the 5DmkII and it's the main reason I chose it over the D700, which, under most other circumstances I believe is a better camera.

Anyway, to get back in topic, I think the XP1 is going to have a very fast processor - early reports are that it is instantaneous. And APS-C is probably more than adequate for the street photography and holiday snaps I would use it for. Nobody would be crazy enough to use a rangefinder camera for arch photography, but it's good to know it can work when it's all I'm carrying and have a good opportunity.
 
For sure it will continue to increase as time goes by but in the here and now would you really choose an 14MP camera over a 10MP one if the former couldn't do what you wanted it to do even if the noise figures were equal. More and more recently I find that the subtleties and sad truths can mean a lot more the seemingly obvious things.

Pixel count is not something I pay much attention to—pro or con. When the first rumors of the X-Pro1 began appearing, no mention was made of pixel count, so I assumed it was 12MP. What I saw was a camera of comfy size that greatly resembled a Contax G2 in digital form, it got my attention. I have been very happy shooting with the X100. I have shot with Fujinon lenses for decades, and found much to admire in the results. There was clearly a vacancy that the camera would fill. When I learned it was 16MP, my only reaction was "OK". Simply not an issue in any way. The difference between 12MP and 16MP is just not significant in my work.

On the other hand, there are a number of 40+MP images on this page, and one 75MP. That is a significant difference.
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