First shots from D700

[Pete Askew]

I like the shallow DoF an the overall softness though. And the colour is nice. Have you set the colour space to Adobe RGB yet?

 

[Rob MacKillop]

Yes, I have, thanks. I used a -3 EV to darken this one in camera, just to see if I could figure out how to do such a thing. Glad to know I can.

I agree, nice softness to the lens.

 

[Julian de'Courcy]

Looks good to me Rob even wide open.

 

[Rob MacKillop]

Cheers, Julian.

 

[Rob MacKillop]

Have you set the colour space to Adobe RGB yet?

Something made me look again. I had done so, but, when things weren't working as expected, I restored the factory defaults, and forgot to re-set the Adobe RGB option. So this photo is just srgb. I'll now reset for RAW as well!

 

[Rob MacKillop]

Could you tell just from looking, Pete?

 

[Pete Askew]

No, as the version here will be in sRGB. It was just a reminder as the factory default is sRGB (why?!).

 

[Rob MacKillop]

So, is it only the RAW file that has the Adobe colour, turning to sRGB when the image is made into a jpeg?

 

[John Allen]

Rob, you can set the color space in the menu. It should be under Shooting Menu / Color Space. On my D7100 and D7200 the choices are sRGB and Adobe RGB. It should be the same on the D700. Either one is fine. Make sure to set the color space in your raw editor software to match whatever you have set in your camera. That eliminates the chance of color shifts from the software trying to convert from one color space to another.

 

[Rob MacKillop]

Thanks, John. I've already chosen Adobe RGB in the camera, and that seems to be what I have in Elements. Thanks for your comments, John.

 

[John Allen]

I go with sRGB in the camera, light room, and photoshop. It all ends up as an sRGB image in the end, so I see absolutely no reason to go through two conversions during the editing process.

 

[Rob MacKillop]

Unless you are printing, no?

 

[Pete Askew]

So, is it only the RAW file that has the Adobe colour, turning to sRGB when the image is made into a jpeg?

No, the choice of colour space will affect the gamut of the colours in the JPEG. The raw files contain all of the date and will be converted to a visible image using the colour space of the raw converter you use (or the one selected in it). LR uses ProPhotoRGB by default which is a wide gamut colour space and when you output the file you can choose to either retain that or to transform it to a narrower gamut or one that matches your output device better. So for web output you would choose sRGB and for a printer would use a particular colour map. When sending to a third part they would define this or ask you to output in a certain colour space as a TIFF or whatever to match their workflow. When you shoot JPEG it is probably most useful to shoot in Adobe RGB as it has a wider gamut than sRGB unless you only want to present the images on the web. You can always reduce the gamut later. In raw, the colour space will be in the EXIF data but the raw converter will default to its selected colour space.

 

[John Allen]

Not even for printing unless I'm using a monitor and printer that are both calibrated to Adobe RGB. If you use Adobe RGB you also have to remember to make sure the color space is saved with the file, although it's a pretty good idea to do that anyway. If you send your files to get printed you need to make sure the service uses Adobe RGB or your colors will look flat.

 

[John Allen]

Wish I'd seen Pete's reply before I wrote mine. His is more in-depth.

 

[Pete Askew]

I was a bit late in 'cos I've been out socialising! Rare but fun!

I tend to stay in ProPhoto RGB until I output. Then I use a profile to match the printer / paper combination or sRGB for the web. If I save a TIFF, it is usually in ProPhoto.

 

[Rob MacKillop]

Get a room, guys Seriously, thanks. I'll try to digest all that.

 

[John Allen]

Get a room, guys Seriously, thanks. I'll try to digest all that.

Actually, I think it's pretty simple. If I use Adobe RGB there is a possibility that I could end up with flat colors if something doesn't go right. I don't have that worry if I stick with sRGB all the way through the process. I don't think the pros out way the cons in this case.

 

[Ivar Dahl-Larsen]

Firstly Rob, congratulations on your new camera. My xe2 came yesterday. I had D700 for some years and loved the camera, but alas as I got more mature and somewhat feeble, its weight turned on me. I used it all around in India and it never failed me. It is so good and revealing, so be careful how you photograph I am sure that this is a fine one for you. I always use adobe rgb, on that camera and on my present ones. My monitor is set likewise and rgb is to prefer when printing comes into the picture. Every single one I present here is in rgb. I know it looks good colourwise, also on pads of different brands, so why everyone goes haywire about srgb, I really do not know. Maybe they aren't professional enough there I said it And as a gentleman as yourself, I believe that you can truly answer me on whether my images look ok or not, on you monitor. Everyone else seem to ok them and you know that those people out there, them real photographers, aren't always that polite. Well all the best to you with this ikon of a camera. May you enjoy the opportunities of such a camera, to the fullest and not let yourself be let down by some silly remarks about film. The cost of living is high enough as it is.

 

[Rob MacKillop]

Cheers, Ivar. Good to know. I'm far too polite to criticise anyone's photography